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And that in essence is what happened to the republican party right now, is they are just like fox, is worried about how its audience will respond, if it shows these hearings, the republican party, kevin mccarthy, elise stefanik, all of its leaders are afraid of getting on the wrong side of their voters. they're afraid of getting cross-wise with donald trump. and as much as, you know, there's been ink spilled and voices on various networks that have said trump's grip on the party is weakening, his endorsement doesn't matter as much as it used to, no, he has permeated the party to such an extent...

The 20 election. joining me now is national hill reporter and punch bowl news cofounder and msnbc contributor anna palmer. let's talk about mike pence. the committee, obviously, wants to talk to him. to have a source close to him tell the "new york times" he's growing frustrated. what does it mean? what does it indicate? >> i think it is one of those indicators this is an all-democratic panel. mike pence does not want to get cross wise with donald trump more than he is. certainly not with his supporters, as he considers his own 2024 bid. this will be an issue that pence is going to have for ...

Republican and democrat. there are more important things that president biden says than wing and losing the rule of law, procedure, order, institution are supposed to matter. but the absence of all those republicans today just jumps out and speaks volumes. >> it shows what this is at the end of the day. this is politics. we are in a game of politics, particularly for republican leadership who realizes that the majority is within reach in november, but they don't believe that talking about january 6th or dealing with january 6th in any meaningful way will help them increase their chances in tak...

They're colleagues. so first they're going to try to cooperate with each of them, but there's pressure now on all of them to be the one that maybe comes forward first and cooperates, and avoids being cross wise with the committee. >> one question, though, i was reading some expert analysis of this over the last few days, and there is protection members of congress have in the speech and debate clause if it was anything done in the -- in their legislative work, right, so this committee needs to make clear this is outside of your legislative work, and therefore this protection that you have is, ...

Whether he's confronted anti-semitism. there have been a number of moments over the course of his presidency, most notably the charlottesville attack where he has stopped short of fully condemning white supremacists, neo-nazis and other hate groups, in part, based on reporting that seems to be because the president is afraid of getting crosswise with certain members of his political coalition and constituencies on which he's counting for political support. now, the attack in new york the other day over the weekend, the president did condemn in a statement, but there is certainly more he could ...