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sans speaker. kevin mccarthy failing again on a fifth ballot to capture the necessary number of votes, the number of opponents among house republicans has actually gone up from 19 to 20, to 21. now republicans are looking for a way out, an exit strategy. is that tossing mccarthy to the curb? is that brokering a deal with democrats to lower the vote? they have to get these 23 rebels on board. me melanie zanona is with us. what's happening here? >> reporter: republicans are searching for an offramp as it's become clear that kevin mccarthy's efforts to win over his opposition not workin...

He pushed for a number of process reforms, things to empower rank and file members and weaken the leadership of his conference. he says he has had, quote, more productive discussions over the last two hours than he has had over the last several weeks. he said that, you know, he compared this to high school when you are right before an exam. sometimes you do better work before an exam and cramming for that exam than you might have done a few weeks earlier. he said they're starting to cryst crystallize what they want. this is becoming at a critical moment. this is the last vote of the day. the h...

Needed a breakout moment. here's biden describing the public option part of his plan. >> largest out-of-pocket payment you'll pay is $1,000. you can get into anyone who can't afford it gets automatically enrolled in the medicare-type option. you lose the job from your employer, you automatically can buy into this. no pre-existing condition can stop you from buying in. you get covered. >> you heard biden clearly say under his plan people can be enrolled and buy in. listen to castro's response. >> you require them to opt in. i would not require them to opt in. they would be enrolled. they wouldn...

Debate has really moved the needle very much. do you think anything in this debate will move the needle? >> no. i don't. after that first debate we saw biden kind of slip a little bit when he didn't do as well. he seemed a little more tired. kamala harris had that good, you know, blow against him. i don't think there's going to be that kind of moment. we sort of have this top tier of biden, warren, and bernie sanders. i don't think that's going to change as a result of this debate. but it certainly does cryst crystallize the difference, particularly on health care, between those candidates. an...