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Programmes, is on earth observation. and earth observation, as you say, is looking at our planet, investigating climate change, sustainability, biodiversity and these aspects. so, europe is never going to bother with talking of manned mission to mars? wait, wait — and this is fundamental, and i think this goes very well in line with the policies of the heads of states, heads of government of all european countries. everyone has declared climate change to be the biggest threat of everyone, of mankind, of the whole planet, and that's why europe has played a major role in pioneering this aspect...

On the exomars rover project and continuing to cooperate with russia when it comes to the international space station? as we speak to each other today, there is an esa italian astronaut on the international space station working alongside two russian astronauts, delivered to the space station by a russian rocket. you know, you're saying that's fine and we'll go on doing it. in fact, i believe you're saying we want to continue that cooperation all the way through to 2030, despite what putin's doing in ukraine. so how come you can continue to do that and have to abandon the mars mission? let me ...

Rocket today and, in the past, also with a russian rocket. and i'm asking my member states, my politicians, is this right or should this change? in a word, do you think it will change, yes or no? it will... i will... i've been mandated by the ministers, and including president macron — who has written me a letter — to put a group of high—level experts in place to ask exactly this question. these are not space people — these are people from society. journalists, economists... it's not exactly a decisive answer, but i guess it's the answer i'm going to get. i'm coming back with options t...

The rover down to the surface, and the rover itself, which is the hard piece, to drill into the mars surface and do all the science. so, there are four big elements. and out of those four, two, roughly, are dropping out — the rocket — the launch by russia, and the lander in particular. plus, in the other parts, there is some russian technology. of course, all this stops now. i've done the series analysis, what needs to be done? what are the options? what can be done in europe, and what cannot be done in europe so easily that means it needs to be developed newly, that means from scratch, in...

There's no plan b. if i'm not telling you the plan b, it's because we don't have a decision yet. if there is to be a plan b, it's either new levels of cooperation with nasa, and, of course, back in 2011, 2012, you had a huge fallout with nasa over the mars mission because they decided to go their own way. so you're either going to have to rebuild a mars relationship with nasa, or somehow you're going to have to convince people like, i don't know, elon musk and jeff bezos, to work with you to do something dramatic that they've never done before. so, what is plan b? i'm not putting it on the tab...