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President trump had originally wanted a 15% rate that later went up to 20 that was as well as the house and senate thought they could go. republican senators really resisted having advised up even a little bit. senator rubio and senator leahy had tried to expand the title tax credit and pay for it by having the rate rise to 21% and it was defeated. it's very surprising to see the president talking about 22%. gillian: the fact that he threw it in there saying it might go down to 20, but it might go up to 22, we are not sure. it was sort of the way in which he sat it the surprise some folks. til...

For the large majority of people who are covered under the aca, they're getting support. >> i have to certainly disagree with that. every single small business owner in america, every single start up in america, every single company that's under 1,000 people in america is dealing with some very significant health care burdens in addition to which you have major insurers pull out of marketplaces across the united states continually driving up costs. the whole point of obamacare was to cover that 30%. we are not even to do that. >> martha: let me pose a larger question. in terms of how this is b...

You my president's desk. >> melissa: why don't they do that? >> i don't know. the senate always thinks that whatever the house does is it dead on arrival and it's wrong. you shouldn't have to "justify" allowing the american people to keep their own money in their own wallet. you should cut spending, exactl exactly. what i am absolutely appalled by, the house republicans in the senate republicans, they passed a $47 trillion budget, 10-year budget with no cuts to spending. if you want to attack the deficit, you do it by cutting spending. >> melissa: politically, why don't they do that? they pass...

>> kennedy: the economy will do even better if republicans are finally capable of cutting spending. that's where you're going to be. >> neil: they're not capable of it. >> kennedy: but that would create the most hospitable market that charlie is talking about. >> ben: nobody can cut spending. >> part of this is the president listen, it is fashionable at this network to say oh, it's all those swamp dwelling guys in congress but let's be clear about where they go. they generally go where the leader of the party takes him. the leader of the party basically said let's do the tax cut, the personal ...

Doesn't look like republican small government tax cutting plan. >> i think because we've got so many moving parts in there. i think the main thing that the american people wanted was a reduction of the rates, and that's what we have. the senator really nailed it in their plan today the top bracket so everybody gets a rate reduction. at the same time, we don't have this dynamic scoring. you have to figure the dynamic scoring is going to pump up the economy and bring in more revenue. that's the first side. the other side is let's face it. we need to be cutting spending. you have to cut spending....