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Everything. rate, the motivation, why do you want to add it wak on? that's what became the question before the supreme court. there are a couple of things i want to play for you because i want to get your take. one is ken cuccinelli. 's the accurate aing director of the citizenship agency for president trump. let me play what he said. >> frankly, as part of the ongoing debate about how we deal both financially and legally with the burden of those who are not here legally, that is -- that is a relevant issue. >> it's not an entirely clear to me exactly what he is trying to say in the reasoning ...

Executive order to fix this. the problem is it's not clear that that is even going to work, whether that will pass muster with the supreme court. that's already said, the administration needs to go back to the drawing board on the rationale for this. and so at the moment the administration is simply trying to figure out a legal path forward. and it all may not end up with the citizenship question being on the census at all. but at the end of the day president trump gets to tell his base he did not give up on this very important fight for him. >> win or lose, or draw, the fight is exactly what ...

If people don't respond they are missed in the kens us and don't get the accurate population count. the bureau has all other kinds of surveys to find out other information. the unemployment statistics it's through a sample survey on a monthly basis. if we want to know characteristics of the population like citizenship, documented status, there are whiches of doing that without complicating the census. because you want the census to be a as simple as possible so that people respond and we get an accurate head count. >> dale, do you see the point that just the fight for the president is good for...

Want you to know about that. dale hoe, director of the aclu's voter's project. he's the reason we know about all this. this level of redaction, your thoughts? >> goes to show how desperate they are to keep plans from the public. we've said from beginning this is a sham, trojan horse to create a narrative to justify restrictions on voting. these documents begin to show this is the case. >> how do you know this is not just chris koeb ek's project, versus sms something the trump administration signed on it. originally called a theory, voter changes or what your group has called suppression, maybe...