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What took place here. as i said that includes i think debates on the house floor, potentially on january 6th." jordan meant what he said. on january 5th we now know he forwarded a text message to white house chief of staff mark meadows encouraging vice president pence to just overturn the election single-handedly, throw out the will of the voters and essentially pave the way to install trump as the winner. on the day itself january 6th meadows was one of -- jordan was one of 147 members of congress who voted not to seat the electors. that's not all. the committee also wants to know if jordan w...

Think debates on the house floor, potentially on january six. jordan meant what he said, on january 5th we now know that he forwarded a text message to white house chief of staff mark meadows encouraging mike pence to just overturn the election single-handedly, throughout the will of the voters and essentially paved the way to install trump as the winner. on the day itself, january six, meadows was one of jordan -- jordan was one of the 147 members of congress who voted not to cede the electorate, that's not all, committee also wanted to know if jordan were to dangle pardons for fellow coup pl...

The president can pardon you even if you don't accept the pardon. it was ruled many years ago. so if the president wanted a pardon, he could easily just had pardoned. i don't understand why he would have negotiated a pardon. if he gave a pardon then there would be no incentives for the folks on the other side to cooperate because there would be no leverage over them that would force them to cooperate. and so the story doesn't really ring true to an experienced criminal defense lawyer like me. >> jeff, if mueller wants to question dowd whether he floated pardons could dowd refuse to talk about....

Learn about this. as we report today, at the very least it suppose there was concern in the white house, and concern within president trump's legal team about, what manafort and flynn might tell mueller if they were to cooperate with the special counsel. there seems to be concern that mueller at this time, have been, was building cases against both flynn and manafort. if the two were to flip and cooperate, there seemed to be concern about what they might have to say about the president and the president's advisers. >> questions about pardons have also come up during interviews with the special...

United states has almost absolute pardons to power and can do it perfectly legally. it is not at all clear that the president of the united states can, quote, dangle pardons in front of someone as a means of obstructing a legitimate inquiry. and that appears to be what has happened here. and also, whether the words floated were exact that dowd used in this meeting. i'm sure john dowd is a clever lawyer. if this happened the way the times and post described it, has a means of speaking suggests certain things and perhaps keeps him on the legal side of the line. there seems to be from the reporti...