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there you have that. you have the ball, absolutely. it is all yours. it is not against a lot to close the achievement gap. it is not against the lot to have annual assessment. if you did, for no child left behind, for the record. local control has often translated into establishment control, a union controlled. a lack of policy makers to understand what is going on. you got it. >> what i fundamentally believe is that we should be [inaudible] high bar, hold people accountable to results. give them to be creative, innovative, hit the high bar. we're all saying the same thing. i would l...

in 1911, two teams of explores explorerss -- left within days of each other. same environments and same conditions, but had radically different outcomes. almondson and his team got there first. they made it back to base camps safe. scott and every member of his team diet 11 miles from the supply depot. same conditions and radically different outcomes. the difference have to be in the behaviors and decisions and ways they dealt with them. in research, we found that companies and leaders that did well looked like almonson and not likes i -- like scott. they had a productive paranoia. w...

is what should we do? number 2, the very, very best leaders are exceptionally good at beginning first with an incredibly gorous assessment of what are the facts. >> rose: jim collins for the hour, next. funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. and american express, additional funding provided bthese funders. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. jim collins is here and runs a management laboratory that develops fundamenta...

the best executive in this, not is what should we do? number 2, the very, very best leaders are exceptionally good at beginning first with an incredibly gorous assessment of what are the facts. >> rose: jim collins for the hour, next. funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. and american express, additional funding provided bthese funders. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. jim collins is here and runs a management lab...

and american express, additional funding provided bthese funders. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. jim collins is here and runs a management laboratory that develops fundamental insights about business and leadership 2001 characterized key characteristics that allowed companies to become truly great overtime. his new book, great by choice asks the question why do some companies thrive in uncertainty and chaos and others do not, i a...