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Everything is staged. like if he goes to the international headquarters at gold, which is called golden era productions in hammock, california. all of the stuff they're instructed to call him sir, to salute, everybody has to smile at him. >> they have to salute him while he's walking around the grounds? >> yes. and you must smile. and there can be not a blade of grass out of order. >> do you believe the church had a role in breaking up that marriage? cruise and kidman? >> i do. i absolutely do. >> because she wasn't a scientologist scientologist? >> well, she was a scientologist megyn. but her...

My two children were raised that way. i have two children who were born into the c organization. and they were raised with nannies in a nursery that was not a standard nursery. >> did they sleep in your house at night? >> no. >> they slept under the care of somebody else? >> often. not always. >> what were they being taught? was it about educating them into the proper scientology beliefs? >> yes very much so. in fact, there was a book written by a niece of david naskavich which goes into some detail of what her life was like growing up as a child of a c org member. and it's pretty horrific. to...

Back now with more of our interview with mike rinder, formerly the spokesman for the church of scientology for decades. here he explains the church's role in the end of tom cruise and nicole kidman's marriage. you were in the organization then i take it when tom cruise joined scientology? >> yes i was. >> how do you get a guy, a star like that, to join a religion like scientology? >> i think, megyn, i mean it's the answer to the question of what's done to get anybody to participate in scientology. >> but do you think he knows about this abuse? i mean because what the documentary asserts is tha...

Shakes hands with david. watch. [ cheers and applause ] >> and tom cruise david has denominated tom cruise as the best scientologist they know. you know, the second in command of scientology. tom cruise is briefed by david about a lot of things. and a lot of things that go on that others are not privy to. >> and the documentary talks about how scientology has $4 billion. and these incredible facilities all over the world. and when tom cruise is going to show up at one of them, the orders are given to the people what? >> oh. the place had better be in perfect shape.

Back now with more of our interview with mike rinder, formerly the spokesman for the church of scientology for decades. here he explains the role in the end of tom cruise and nicole kidman's marriage. you were in the organization then i take it when tom cruise joined scientology? >> yes i was. >> how do you get a guy, a star like that, to join a religion like scientology? >> i think, megyn, i mean it's the answer to the question of what's done to get anybody to participate in scientology. >> but do you think he knows about this abuse? i mean because what the documentary asserts is that abuse i...