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>> making money. >> declaring yourself a church means you don't have to pay taxes if the irs agrees you're a church. >> that's exactly right. and it affords you enormous protection. protection which is one of the subjects of this documentary and the thing i feel very passionate about is that abuses that go on within the church of scientology are in some form protected because they can hide behind the cloak of religion. >> under the banner of religion. being a child in this church, let's talk about that. because one of the pieces that the documentary addresses is the treatment, at least for a period, of children. and the convincing of members to sort of hand over their children to the church. and a woman who's heavily featured in it named spanky talks about her last straw with scientology and rescuing her child and making a run for it leaving the church and off they went. how long was that kind of thing
participate in scientology. >> but do you think he knows about this abuse? i mean because what the documentary asserts is that abuse is ongoing in the church. >> i think tom cruise is unique in that he does. because tom cruise is david's best friend. and you see in this film -- you see the two of them. and you see them growing together. >> let's show the audience that. show the audience the moment where tom cruise comes out and he salutes l. ron hubbard and shakes hands with david. watch. [ cheers and applause ] >> and tom cruise david has
and that this is a bunch of dis disgruntled people. they say you're a wife abuser, a paid liar, that you get paid by law firms that you were kicked out of the church. is any of that true? >> no, it's not. i mean, i've draez e addressed some of this on my blog just so people would know. but i certainly wasn't kicked out of the church. i mean i walked out of the church when i was the international spokesperson. the last thing that you see in the film is me standing in the doorway of the church in london yelling at john sweeney. right after that was when i left. and i was the international spokesperson for scientology. you know, it's interesting they say generally that everybody who ever says anything negative about the church or scientology is a liar because they have signed confessions from people and handwritten confessions. and it's true. there are confessions. you are made to effectively
"the kelly file." but so far it looks as though that campaign may have backfired with plenty of folks coming out to support its message. earlier i spoke with mike rinder, a former scientologyist who spent decades defending scientology. and he's one of the people heavily featured in the documentary. all right. so let's start with your story. because you say you were a signtologist from the age of 6. it started back in 1950 i guess, so your parents were? >> that's right. >> at that point though are they telling you about znu and the belief these bodies came down to earth and started inhabiting people and had to be gotten out with auditing and all that? >> not at all. in fact, if you were to go to the vast majority of scientology today, right now, they would not even know about that. >> why not? >> because it's kept secret. it's kept secret until you are "ready for it," which means you've made progress to a point
cloak of religion. >> under the banner of religion. being a child in this church, let's talk about that. because one of the pieces that the documentary addresses is the treatment, at least for a period, of children. and the convincing of members to sort of hand over their children to the church. and a woman who's heavily featured in it named spanky talks about her last straw with scientology and rescuing her child and making a run for it leaving the church and off they went. how long was that kind of thing going on? >> for a long time. i mean many many, many years. spanky and myself and other people that are featured in this documentary were part of what's called the sea organization. and the c organization is the central core of scientology the people that work and live in church facilities. it's analogized not exactly correctly, but it's analogized to the clergy in the film.
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going on? >> for a long time. i mean many many, many years. spanky and myself and other people that are featured in this documentary were part of what's called the sea organization. and the c organization is the central core of scientology the people that work and live in church facilities. it's analogized not exactly correctly, but it's analogized to the clergy in the film. my two children were raised that way. i have two children who were born into the c organization. and they were raised with nannies in a nursery that was not a standard nursery. >> did they sleep in your house at night? >> no. >> they slept under the care of somebody else? >> often. not always. >> what were they being taught? was it about educating them into the proper scientology beliefs? >> yes very much so. in fact, there was a book
back now with more of our interview with mike rinder, formerly the spokesman for the church of scientology for decades. here he explains the church's role in the end of tom cruise and nicole kidman's marriage. you were in the organization then i take it when tom cruise joined scientology? >> yes i was. >> how do you get a guy, a star like that, to join a religion like scientology? >> i think, megyn, i mean it's the answer to the question of what's done to get anybody to participate in scientology. >> but do you think he knows about this abuse? i mean because what the documentary asserts is that abuse is ongoing in the church. >> i think tom cruise is unique in that he does. because tom cruise is david's best friend. and you see in this film -- you see the two of them. and you see them growing together. >> let's show the audience that. show the audience the moment where tom cruise comes out and he salutes l. ron hubbard and
right after that was when i left. and i was the international spokesperson for scientology. you know, it's interesting they say generally that everybody who ever says anything negative about the church or scientology is a liar because they have signed confessions from people and handwritten confessions. and it's true. there are confessions. you are made to effectively confess to lying to david for example. if he believes you're doing something he doesn't like he says you're lying and you have to confess to it or you're going to be stuck in the hole. >> which is like a prison. that's a prison in scientology. which actually we have a clip of just so people can understand this is the real thing. here's a clip. >> the doors had bars put on them. the windows all had bars put on them. and there was one entrance door that a security guard sat at 24
and that this is a bunch of dis disgruntled people. they say you're a wife abuser, a paid liar, that you get paid by law firms that you were kicked out of the church. is any of that true? >> no, it's not. i mean, i've draez e addressed some of this on my blog just so people would know. but i certainly wasn't kicked out of the church. i mean i walked out of the church when i was the international spokesperson. the last thing that you see in the film is me standing in the doorway of the church in london yelling at john sweeney. right after that was when i left. and i was the international spokesperson for scientology. you know, it's interesting they say generally that everybody who ever says anything negative about the church or scientology is a liar because they have signed confessions from people and handwritten confessions. and it's true. there are confessions. you are made to effectively confess to lying to david for