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Senior security correspondent at "the daily beast" and author of the book "at war" and david, author of "national insecurity: american leadership in an age of fear." shane on that point that richard was just talking about, i found the pushback from the cia very interesting because what they do want to talk about is this context of what the atmosphere was like after 9/11. they also want to talk about whether or not we actually got actionable intelligence from the techniques. but i don't see a lot of pushback on the actual specific, gruesome details that we get in this report. as an example, you...

The united states government at the highest level. one side story that's come out of this report is that the president, president obama was not briefed on this for four years after this took place. well, that may have been the cia covering up, but it was also a breakdown of responsibility by the president to oversee a program that he authorized. he had a responsibility to know what was going on. and he decided not to push that as far as he should have, otherwise we, perhaps, would not have had these abuses. >> richard, david was saying earlier that this could go down as potentially the darkest...