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As much as he's turned this into something of a show of entertainment, of circus he's also energized people to thinking about the political process which isn't all bad. i think he's changed the electricity in the water, if you will. >> david, in baltimore, i wonder if this is built in structural advantage for the republicans and a disadvantage for the democrats. i don't see any way it's going to get 23 million viewers unless cnn persuades donald trump to show up. >> i don't disagree that trump has made a huge difference but if you look at his ratings for the apprentice, he started with 20 mill...

From a television or entertainment perspective, maybe it went too long. what was your take? >> i really did think it was long. when it moved past 11:00, i was like will this thing ever hand. in fairness, 11 candidate brought fiorina in. that's a big, big number to deal with. the debate did try to deal with substance. i kind of agree with part of what david said. i thought with the two shots and the questions where you ask someone about something they said about you that cnn was pushing the conflict angle which makes for good prime time television but maybe too much. when i went back and though...

He met pope john paul ii back in 1979 at catholic university of america. here's how williams described meeting the pope in an nbc blog post in 2005. he wrote i chatted up a secret service agent who told me the pope would be coming our way but he gave a different version to "esquire" magazine that same year. he said i met pope john paul ii on his visit to the campus simply by positioning myself at the top of the stairs of the shrine of the immaculate conception. i just figured that's where he would be stopping. there was no mention about the secret service agent. that's obviously a small detail...

Is it all trump and what does it mean for the candidates at the networks? david, david, welcome to all of you. thank for being here. is it all trump? are these ratings entirely thanks to donald trump? >> you've had for eight years or almost eight years democratic in the white house. they're looking for this our opportunity to reclaim the white house. i absolutely think this is donald trump. you look at the monster numbers at the debate and look at the undercard. you have candidates that are scoring within the margin of error on that stage for the lesser debate. that's a huge audience as well. ...

Plan is doomed in the democratic senate. ryan says the policies have simply failed america. >> if we don't like the way the president is taking this country which i would argue is take us to a welfare state in decline, if we don't like that direction we need to show the country exactly how we would get off that track, get back to saving the american dream and give the country the choice in the fall. bill: that was paul ryan earlier. david z i-k ert member of the financial services committee, good morning to you, in studio of all things. what do you mean when you say it doesn't go far enough, w...