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Presidential debate, joe biden went back out on the debate stage and said this -- >> and we talked about the supreme court, i'm looking forward to making sure that there is a black woman on the supreme court to make sure that in fact [inaudible] >> and the rest is on its way to becoming history. joining us now is caroline randall williams, poet, essayist, and educator. she is writer in residence at vanderbilt university. caroline, thank you very much for joining us tonight. and this tv drama called supreme court confirmation, which in tv terms began on that debate stage in south carolina, is a...

Caroline, thank you very much for joining us tonight. and this tv drama called supreme court confirmation, which in tv terms began on that debate stage in south carolina, is about a much longer story than that that has been with us for quite some time. i've been eager this week to get your reflections on where we stand tonight in that larger story. >> thank you so much for having me. it's good to be back. this is terrifically personal for me, on so many levels, being here -- when james clyburn speaks, first of all, your staggered by his gravitas and his competence, and i feel this tremendous g...

So we will see what happens. we'll see what happens with mr. bannon. we'll see what happens. we'll see what happens. >> mr. president , will you attack north korea? >> we'll see. >> will you attack north korea? we'll see. is this just the president, i guess, a crutch of speech for him? is that the best way to describe this? >> well, this is a reality tv star, at least in the not too distant past. a guy who knows how to sell a story or episode as it were and this in tv terms is a pretty good cliffhanger, at least that's perhaps the way the president has may viewed it and it's left some suspense...

Fake news online. >> coming up next here, in tv terms. we're approaching the end of the ultimate reality show. just think about it. donald trump has been producing and programming the trump show since day one of his historic campaign. i mean literally producing it. >> look at all the cameras like the academy awards. this is like the academy awards. let's go, ready. turn off the lights. stupid mike keeps popping. i would love to have those cameras turn over here and show those people. don't turn the light on. >> gave me a defective mike. >> take the cameras off me and pan the crowd, okay. go ah...

From a television or entertainment perspective, maybe it went too long. what was your take? >> i really did think it was long. when it moved past 11:00, i was like will this thing ever hand. in fairness, 11 candidate brought fiorina in. that's a big, big number to deal with. the debate did try to deal with substance. i kind of agree with part of what david said. i thought with the two shots and the questions where you ask someone about something they said about you that cnn was pushing the conflict angle which makes for good prime time television but maybe too much. when i went back and though...