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Right as opposite sex couples. and if she interferes in any way, she will be subject to the same contempt ruling. and i've been listening to her lawyer talk all day and i still don't understand what he's saying about whether she will actually allow her deputy clerks to continue issuing these licenses. if she does, then i think the legal battle is over, but if she interferes, it starts all over again. >> ryan, davis doesn't have to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, her deputy clerks are doing that. her name is no longer on the licenses, which was an issue apparently for her. should that b...

>> go ahead. i was going to -- >> so the other side says that she can exercise her faith but she can't -- she shouldn't be in this role. her job is to issue marriage licenses. so it's an impossibility. she can't just not issue them now that they're legal. >> well, but that's fundamentally wrong. the consequence of that statement, that standard is that christians can't hold public office or if they do, they must be willing to violate their faith and go to jail. that is not america. that is not how this country works. let me point out to all of the politicians, both democrats and republicans who...

>> do you want to see other court clerks doing this? >> well, i want people to stand up for their convictions. i want them to have the courage of their convictions. not to acquiesce. >> do you want them to follow the law? >> i would say to you, it is the interpretation of five unelected lawyers on the court. >> on the other side, several candidates have pointed out that davis doesn't work for a private company. she had employed by the federal government. she swore an oath to follow the law. >> i sympathize with her religious beliefs. but she is a public official. and those of us in public life...

Starts releasing tapes of you that he didn't -- that you didn't know he'd made, and publicly flirting with the idea of cooperating with prosecutors against you. >> ben, you have unknowingly set us up for the two things i want to hit before a commercial break here. number one is the legal significance piece of this, which you acknowledge, which is this idea of a potential campaign finance violation. what is the potential legal significance, the significance of this tape? a couple things put together by our legal analyst at msnbc, danny. he says this tape references all the stuff, which could be...