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With substance, chris, at some point either on what he doesn't know, on the fact that he's flip-flopped if not lied on issues. on the fact that he doesn't understand the depth of things. i don't know who is going to do it. a debate format with 11 people is not the place to do that. hugh hewitt, the conservative radio guy did it because he had him on the stage alone. >> joyce behar, she won't need my help, she's an aggressive person. when will you start talking about women's brains instead of their looks? and the audience applauded. he walked away with that. you won that round. he should have d...

Debate format meets that about oive. cnn announcing this sudden, last-minute change tonight is going to have a substantiative, large impact on the course of the republican presidential primary process. but to be clear, cnn did not fix the problem in that process tonight. they just broke their own rules to alleviate some of the pressure that they were feeling about this problem that they did not create, but that they are perpetuating for no good reason, and they're still perpetuating by doing a kids' table debate. it will be interesting to see if any of the other candidates follow ben carson's ...

I would add that i advise cnn to change their debate to allow all the candidates in. the american people are best served with an open and active and transparent project and all debate format meets that about oive. cnn announcing this sudden, last-minute change tonight is going to have a substantiative, large impact on the course of the republican presidential primary process. but to be clear, cnn did not fix the problem in that process tonight. they just broke their own rules to alleviate some of the pressure that they were feeling about this problem that they did not create, but that they are...

Bush. but it wasn't a particularly strong one either. he showed them it takes a little while to warm up to the stage. whether it's getting comfortable delivering speeches. it took him a little while to sort of get into practice on that. or the debate format. i suspect you'll see a better jeb bush in the second debate and future debates after that. >> and it will be interesting to see what the reaction is in the coming days to what we saw this evening. eric bradner, thank you so much for your report there in cleveland. well, beyond jeb bush there was some fireworks. one of the most heated exc...

Lost last time, someone who's afraid fight. >> yeah. jeb did not impress me at all particularly on the education questions. i think he pivoted off common core as much as he could. he was talking about education reform without using the words common core because we all know that's not a great point for him. but he looks nervous, somebody be that i would be worried about putting into a debate format with a hillary clinton. i want to put somebody in there who i don't have to worry about, and for me, marco rubio carly fiorina, i wouldn't be worried about them. >> yeah. jeb mangled that iraq questi...