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the us is post—slavery, post—segregation, but definitely not post—racism. my guest is ibram x kendi, an influential writer and academic who argues the only way to not be racist is to be actively anti—racist — a message he says children must hear. is his approach bound to intensify america's internal conflict? ibram x kendi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me on. it's a pleasure to have you here. your focus right now seems to be on children, and your contention that children, very young children even, should be told about racism, even if it's not a daily reality th...

an influential writer and academic who argues the only way to not be racist is to be actively anti—racist — a message he says children must hear. is his approach bound to intensify america's internal conflict? ibram x kendi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me on. it's a pleasure to have you here. your focus right now seems to be on children, and your contention that children, very young children even, should be told about racism, even if it's not a daily reality that they are actually living with. why? because unfortunately, studies are showing that it is a daily realit...

their intentions to run. those are the headlines. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i'm stephen sackur. the fractures in american society are widening over guns, abortion, education, and more. but the deepest, most traumatic fracture is surely over race — and it impacts all of the others. the us is post—slavery, post—segregation, but definitely not post—racism. my guest is ibram x kendi, an influential writer and academic who argues the only way to not be racist is to be actively anti—racist — a message he says children must hear. is his approach bound ...

To not be incarcerated because they're less criminal — which means he's arguing ideas of white superiority, which is ideas that i don't believe in, and which are racist ideas. no, people have more not because they are more, but because of bad rules. you wrote the bestselling book how to be an anti—racist in 2020, so two years on do you have a sense that...? and it sold millions. do you have a sense that you've made any difference to the debate — ie, that race division in america is becoming any less corrosive? that progress of any sort is being made? well, i mean, ithink that, you know, ...