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Means to handle classified documents. he knows that these are regulated by certain laws. for him to say at trial, if there were to be some defense, that the government has failed to prove the requisite intent, they'll play this tape. i think a jury will find beyond a reasonable doubt that he absolutely knew what he was doing was illegal. >> gene, the government has trump coming and going as far as intent goes and knowledge of the law. yes, they have him on tape saying, you know, as a former president, i can't declassify this material. i can't declassify this document. it's a shame, right? so t...

And how many there were, frankly. i think the counts under the espionage act or solid counts. if even half of it is true, he is toast. and so very detailed indictment, and it's very very damning. i think you know this to be true, with your take on the fact that even bill barr, very few would call -- well, barr the attorney general of this country calling donald trump toast with this indictment. >> yeah, even fog bill barr says you are in trouble here, this is the guy you covered up donald trump conspiring to commit support part perjury -- when bill barr says you are in real trouble here, i thi...

I think the value of that transcript is damning though. because what it does is undermine any argument that trump has, that he didn't understand how the declassification process worked. and that he recognized that he wasn't supposed to have classified information, or to show it to any unauthorized third parties. there is another instance that is also described in the complaint, of a description where he might have showed a classified map to a pack official. a political operative. again, not charged for that reason i. but we could still have a superseding indictment come down the line if the ju...

Interview as a road map for the types of evidence they have been working to secure in the time since. they have been pushing to get these records from the national archives that include com communications about the declsification process, which wh did he cls if i. we know they brought in several senior trump officials, including robert o'brien, who told the grand jury that we had conversations with trump specifically, directly, and we told him and made clear there was a process for declassifying things. you can't wish it to be true. the grand jury is hearing the testimony that this former offi...

Mishandling of documents, those are different in terms of volume. dozens of documents versus over 100. also the conduct. cooperation. possible obstruction. the types of questions prosecutors are asking, they are just asking about boxes and packing. the trump lawyers probably wish those were the questions they were asking about that investigation. and it's clear they believe the trump is in the court of public opinion. he didn't know the process or have to follow it. it's significant because it shows not only our report ing, but this is the testimony that they are getting in both cases from an ...