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Jealousy. of a particular type that really brings his neurosis to the surface. these are self-made men. jobs, bezos, bill gates, who are geniuses at finance and have great technical expertise. donald trump, heart of hearts, knows he's a bricks and mortar guy who got his start with daddy's money. so these kind of people really irritate him. the other thing is, he's a classic narcissist in the sense that he values feelings over facts. clearly -- >> don't a lot of people? >> a lot of people are not president, though. >> but you don't have to be a narcissist to be moved by feelings. >> fair enough...

Is not the same clause in the constitution that our forefathers wrote. who had no idea about this. >> let me take your point. you raise an important detail, talking about evidence. to eric for a final rebuttal. the congressman raises something that does make your guy look bad, which is he was told at the highest levels, fbi, presidential candidate level briefing, these people are trying to break in. then what does he do? he goes out and publicly welcomes their participation in a cyber break-in. that's hard for you to explain, isn't it, eric? >> there's a dangerous precedence being set here by ...

For the armed conflict, check. and the evidence of collusion makes for a desire by donald trump personally to work with russia during the campaign, you feel that's provable at this point or not? >> i think if you look at the record, and the record is that you mentioned it in reference today in today's show, the initial trump tower meeting, when they were going to be meeting to get dirt on hillary clinton, as part of what they said in quotes, the russian help, the government's help to donald trump. so that's established. >> let me bring in eric because i want to moderate and make sure we get al...

Open. >> it's interesting. i did a story actually for "wall street journal" on treason. the word is being used so frequently by both sides, and law professors when you talk to them will say treason specifically was so narrowly defined because the founding fathers didn't want to be used as a political weapon. you can't just throw the word treason around when it's like you said, one of the most serious crimes you could ever be charged with. >> you think it might be a misfire? >> it's an interesting point, when you're thinking about treason and being at war with somebody, the ultimate act of war ...

Do is keep his position so he can continue to do his job. >> but who cares? i'm hearing both of you refer to that. i think by now, everyone gets that. but if it ain't this thing on a sunday tweet, it will be the next thing. in other words, harry, rod rosenstein has to decide what his lines are and know that there may be a pretextual excuse to fire him and live with that, doesn't he ? isn't that the point of being an independent prosecutor in the justice department? i leave that for your consideration and i want to play a colleague of ours, former republican congressman joe scarborough weighing...