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Korea. but i think we need to have real discussions about protecting our grid from this new technology that is huge in terms of its ability to penetrate what is most probably important for the american economy, and that's our power grid. >> the power grid cyberwar fare, and the ability to impact it, i worry about a nuclear device that could go up to a solar flare, and then shut everything down. so if you're in a hospital, you know, or if you need some kind of dialysis, if you're driving and the red lights are out, i mean, just the short term, forget about the long-term economy. but who is in c...

President of eisenhower e wwho the country behind him, and also a defense issue to move sections from one part of the country to another. and this is a bold thing and general and won a war and everything was set up for him. i disagree with the debt. because that is what is worrying most of my republican friends. the amount of debt that we are piling up. >> but it did not bother you when you were racking it up? >> yes, we were kicked out of it because of it and then kicked back in because of spending. and the republicans can't say no, but they have to offer solutions. i agree with newt gingrich...

If -- it was the white house that brought it to congress and it was meant to be a sort of sword of dam close held -- dam ma close held over the republicans and they didn't blink. >> he wants to pressure a tax increase or defense cuts and the thinks, understandably, -- he hopes they'll go for a tax -- democrats were willing to risk some domestic spending cuts. so, kim, how is this playing on the campaign trail? mitt romney is trying to make hay with this defense issue in states like virginia, new hampshire, and ohio. >> and that is unfortunate for the president and they have been worried about ...

If -- it was the white house that brought it to congress and it was meant to be a sort of sword of dam close held -- dam ma close held over the republicans and they didn't blink. >> he wants to pressure a tax increase or defense cuts and the thinks, understandably, -- he hopes they'll go for a tax -- democrats were willing to risk some domestic spending cuts. so, kim, how is this playing on the campaign trail? mitt romney is trying to make hay with this defense issue in states like virginia, new hampshire, and ohio. >> and that is unfortunate for the president and they have been worried about ...

Chuck schumer and paul ryan voted in the legislation and they are blasting it. leon panetta's boss signed in law and now they don't like it when it's time to kick in. >> two questions. one in the big picture, even the dequester doesn't deal with big numbers we are dealing with, with the deficit and debt. that is perspective number one. number two, if you are dealing with the lame duck congress you have members who potentially lose their seat. and deal with a defense issue. >> charles as usual is right. only time to dealt with it collectively when those who have to make tough decisions can't fa...