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President should -- there should be more of a check by the legislative branch on the president's tariff authority? >> i think the message has been sent is that, first of all, this is nonbinding. specifically on defense issues, it was section 232 of the 1962 trade enhancement act, different than section 301 which is what he's doing today in china or suggesting he will do in china. but it all has to do with the impact on the markets with regard to what's happening right now. we have farmers and ranchers in the upper midwest that are bringing their products to market at this time. winter wheat is...

The president says it's a time to come to an end. steel and aluminum are different. the president believes without a steel sector in this country, we don't have a national defense. it's a huge concern to him. defense issues are a big concern. steel and aluminum are different. it has spread. it's unfortunate. canada has been a great ally for a long time. >> neil: thanks very much. >> thank you, neil. >> neil: meantime, we're get confirmation that secretary of state mike pompeo plans to be leaving soon for his third trip to north korea on july 5. of course all of this at a time that north korean...

But what does that say about what we can expect in a confirmation hearing should this go forward? >> well, it shows continued instability and chronic chaos in this administration. and even the process by which it brings its nominees to the united states senate. alex, i just want to step back for a moment. i spent most of my 16 years in congress dealing with defense issues, on the arm services committee, the appropriations defense subcommittee. i've been to afghanistan and iraq over a dozen times. there is a reason why we do not endorse torture in the military. it is not just good moral standin...

A year certainly brussels is paying more than lip service to that. amongst the proposals that have been put out there by the french president emmanuel mccall at the very top of the list is much more coordination on defense procurement and on planning and in fact we have seen the birth of the new initiative here in the european union known as pes go that is supposed to be essentially complimentary to nato but that would see european countries working together much more closely on defense issues for two reasons one is a sense that the u.s. is not longer going to no longer going to be willing to ...

Matter, he's at the pentagon right now. that's not classified, but that can tell foreign intelligence agencies, huh, the chief of staff is meeting at someone with the pentagon. >> russians, i would start with. the chinese, over trade. over defense issues. north koreans want to know what he's thinking about going to this meeting. >> reporter: experts say another drawback to the president using his private cell phone is that those phone conversations are not captured for historical purposes or for accountability. and the white house did not respond to our inquiries about the concerns of security...