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It was reported earlier today that mr. jougiuliani said the president is unlikely to submit to a voluntary interview. i'm going to hand it to mr. giuliani. i think that's a wise tactical decision from the defense perspective. i also think it's a decision that is very sad for the country because it signals that the president and his lawyers don't believe he can sit and make his way through an interview without sort of exposing himself to potential criminal liability for m misstatements. but i think it's a wise tactical decision by the defense. what that does is it puts in full focus the questio...

Going to get looked at. and in this case, it is times 100. right? so they did two things that i think are critically important. one, from the defense side, from the defense perspective. one, they came out and made clear that the allegations are false. the allegations are false. it didn't happen. this was basically an extortion right before the election. number one. that was critical i think to come out and make that clear. secondly, to the extent that there was any sort of scratching of your head with the way that the payments were made through cohen, there was no campaign violation. the payme...

Attorney's perspective, what does that mean that he's now supplying limited electronic information? we're talking e-mails here? >> we certainly purpose e-mails, text messages, any communications that may have gone on between him and michael cohen. and from a defense perspective, you're concerned. whenever anyone is cooperate with the government and, of course, it's always good to be on team america. they protect you. they coddle you. you don't have to worry about any criminality as to you, if there were any because we'll clean you up and make your the best witness available and you're going to...

Gamble. but i suppose it is possible. and if at the end of the day, he faces no charges, he gets in no trouble and none of the documents connect him to the daniels payment and there's nothing there with with regard to him and russia, then he not only comes across as arrogant, but kind of smart and you know, strategic. the problem is most of what he says if you just think about from a defense per spspective, m a criminal defense perspective, even from a civil lawyer's defense perspective, there's no advantage to saying things like this is about to collapse on its own and it's all about to wrap ...

Breaking news, ted mall dloch said he was detained this week at the airport. investigators seized his phone and asked him questions for about an hour about trump confidante roger stone and wikileaks among other issues. they then gave him a subpoena to appear before a grand jury. does he appear to be an important witness? >> well, good evening to you. obviously the mueller team thought so. which was the basis for them detaining him. but looking at this from a defense perspective, practicing in federal court, i'm very concerned about even the conversation. people are under no obligation to speak...