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Touch with so many of these people. they're expected to call a memory witness and a number of character witnesses. they say their case can last two to three days. >> thank you. let's speak now to federal and white collar criminal defense attorney carol polisi. good to have you back. you heard the description of the defense there in effect questioning the motives of these young women at the time who accuse epstein and maxwell of sexual abuse, claiming it's all about money. how does that defense work in your view both legally and with the jury? >> yeah. so the defense has been very candid from...

Plausible explanation that the dna of jerry burns, out on the dress or on that gear shift, could have come about by a transfer? >> yes, that's a distinct possibility. >> the defenses dna expert told the court might burns have left his dna at the mall innocently, on a door, on the bench. after all, he told investigators that he had visited them. all >> janice burns's danny -- >> jerry burns the defense argued, was a victim of coincidence and sloppy defense work. >> ladies and gentlemen, the evidence has been submitted to you. >> after eight days of testimony, their jury got the case. when it go...

Seven federal crimes including obstructing congressional proce proceedings, interfering with police officers, civil disorder. that's just a few on that list of seven. so far he has pleaded not g guilty. there's a hearing scheduled next week to deal with his detention. these cases are interesting. these detention hearings are where we're learning a lot about the perceived mindset these defense attorneys believe that their clients had. so this is where we're getting a lot of details about how this happened, the mindset of these defendants and also what prosecutors think about them. >> does that ...

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>> not small at all. my thanks to both of you. coming up we have a deeper dive into what we've been discussing. what are the actual standards from mitch mcconnell? is he breaching his oath of office when he says he's going to do the defense work of this president? going to do the defense work of this president? they never stray from their predetermined path. but this season, a more thrilling journey is calling. defy the laws of human nature. at the season of audi sales event.