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To the healthcare market. on the other hand, repealing the individual mandate in essence adds a bunch of money to cover the deficit because the government doesn't have to put out subsidies for the people who elect not to buy insurance. two members are concerned about that. the deficit impact. a number of people are concerned about this. jeff flake and bob corker. they're concerned about two things. the size of the deficit. they don't think it's a trillion five. they think there is pro-growth policies are going to trim some of that deficit but the question is how much. and then the question of ...

Would be a little north of the 30s in tax rates, and what big corporations get, which would be 20%. >> lonnie, it's as if someone didn't think that if they threw obamacare in there, anyone would notice. what's going on here? and what's going to emerge that can possibly unite senator johnson and senator collins from maine? they have two different problems with this. >> yeah, and we saw this play out during the obamacare debate. it's like rolling a grenade into an already volatile situation. the reason why they did it is because they needed some additional money to dole out for middle class tax ...

Absurd rules, the senate requires 60 votes on everything, in order to get the 50 vote treatment under reconciliation, we have to follow the budget act of 1974. it doesn't speak to the quality of the policy and it's trying to manipulate the numbers and gain the system -- >> by using gimmicks. >> with andrea mitchell on "meet the press" just now, he used the same language, it's a gimmick. is that a positive argument for a tax bill saying it's a gimmick? >> in order to make it work the senate will have to abide by the rules, and the bird rule doesn't allow for a deficit impact. it's politically s...

Middle class tax benefits as well as to meet some of the requirements of the senate in terms of keeping the deficit impact of the tax plan below a certain amount. but unfortunately what they've done is they've created certain constituencies, animated certain constituencies, like insurers and doctors against a tax bill they may not have cared about. >> what's the chance that something emerges, honest to goodness, that we can get under the wire before the end of 2017, given the senate's hectic work schedule remaining this year? >> well, i still remain optimistic. i still think they're going to g...

Because they needed some additional money to dole out for middle class tax benefits as well as to meet some of the requirements of the senate in terms of keeping the deficit impact of the tax plan below a certain amount. but unfortunately what they've done is they've created certain constituencies, animated certain constituencies, like insurers and doctors against a tax bill they may not have cared about. >> what's the chance that something emerges, honest to goodness, that we can get under the wire before the end of 2017, given the senate's hectic work schedule remaining this year? >> well, i...