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I do think that the very issues that senator brown talked about middle class tax cuts, helping u.s. companies be able to be more competitive. bringing back jobs and investment from overseas is what the tax code will do. i hope we get democratic support. there is a difference on should there be tax cuts in this or not and second is what the deficit impact will be. we republicans believe if you do the kinds of things we're talking about you'll have more economic growth and therefore more revenue and be able to help the deficit and those are differences we'll have to work out. i hope we do have d...

And i think jared is especially right to focus on the deficit impact of the kind of current framework that was put out yesterday. $2.2 trillion in new debt is too much. and it needs to be paid for. and jared's right that the beneficial economic effects of lower statutory rates will be mitigated against undone to some degree by accumulating that much debt in the process. so i continue to argue that lower statutory rates will help encourage investment which will in turn create productivity over the long-term if it's done right. where i also completely agree with jared is it's important to do it ...

And you get a lot of revenue that way. but i do think the question is, you know, how big is the deficit impact going to be. as this plan goes through the process, you know, we're not -- what we're getting today is not a detailed plan. we're getting a framework and the question is as that framework gets written into legislative language through the process, are we going to see additional pay fors on the table? i expect we will. but there again, you know, the question is what's the deficit of that going to be? >> that is the question we all have. we need more detail. it is september 27. we were ...

The last cbo score. more than 20 million people losing health insurance coverage. we'll see premiums skyrocket and become unaffordable for the low-income, sick and poor. and i think the big difference with this score is the deficit impact. i think you're going to see a bill which moderately reduces the deficit, now perhaps increasing the deficit. it doesn't really matter that much because the reduction deficit was small before, but it puts a lie to any possible argument for why you even need this. you know the only possible argument they had was at least it's reducing the deficit. if it doesn'...

From it. the deficit impact based on ceo figures of nonpartisan office and others. >> i thought first of all republicans have had a great health care plan for years. the problem is barack obama co-opted it. then he got to washington and refused to work with republicans on it. then he mishandled the implementation of it. so now we can't even have a decent conversation about it. walker's plan was interesting to me because i think it had a little bit of obama care in it, which he's not going to want to hear. it also had a little bit of magical thinking anytime. when he talked about pre-existing c...