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The last cbo score. more than 20 million people losing health insurance coverage. we'll see premiums skyrocket and become unaffordable for the low-income, sick and poor. and i think the big difference with this score is the deficit impact. i think you're going to see a bill which moderately reduces the deficit, now perhaps increasing the deficit. it doesn't really matter that much because the reduction deficit was small before, but it puts a lie to any possible argument for why you even need this. you know the only possible argument they had was at least it's reducing the deficit. if it doesn'...

Lower chamber, miss pelosi there, spending a few minutes railing against it. we will continue to listen in. let's bring in anton, former director of external affairs for the department of health and human services under president obama, phil klein, managing editor, columnist for the washington examiner, larry levist, senior vice president of the kaiser family foundation which focuses on health policy and jonathan grish is with us as well, professor of economic at m.i.t. a lot of folks who call him an architect of the health care law. he was a creator of the massachusetts health care law. part ...