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Romney, the former republican presidential nominee, and they spoke about this issue. let me play a little clip. listen to this. >> seems likely that the senate is going to send back to the house a clean government funding bill without the defunding provision of obama care. and house speaker john boehner is going to have a choice to make. what do you think he should do? >> we would like to see obama care go away. now the question is what's the best tactic? what's the best vehicle to try to make that happen? my tactic would be different. but that doesn't mean i don't respect and honor the fact t...

A shutdown. if they take the stand. i don't see the same fear on the democratic side. is that fair? >> i think that's probably a fair characterization. you don't see the same fear on the democrat side when you had then speaker of the house nancy pelosi going to members with tears in her eyes pleading with them to do this stating that this was something she deeply believed in. they took a t t lot of risk passing the law. that risk came forward and had political circumstances. it will have a political benefit. i think we need to believe strongly in the principles and do we can to prevent it from...

A shutdown. if they take the stand. i don't see the same fear on the democratic side. is that fair? >> i think that's probably a fair characterization. you don't see the same fear on the democrat side when you had then speaker of the house nancy pelosi going to members with tears in her eyes pleading with them to do this stating that this was something she deeply believed in. they took a t t lot of risk passing the law. that risk came forward and had political circumstances. it will have a political benefit. i think we need to believe strongly in the principles and do we can to prevent it from...

A series of stunts. we lurch from crisis to crisis and that's the new normal? >> and it doesn't even end here. let's say that in the best case scenario in terms of things functioning somewhat smoothly this thing go back to the house without the defunding provision and the house passes it and we say, okay, we averted the government shutdown. what comesup in a couple weeks, the debt ceiling. the way that you can get republican votes in the house right now to let's not do the defunding obama care thing right now, the way john boehner can do that is by promising a huge massive fight a few weeks fr...

The truth is a shutdown does nothing, absolutely nothing about that. outfront tonight, congressman tom cole a fourth ranking republican in the house. republican cole, great to see you. let me just start with this in your party, sir, some are taking a stand on principle that they think obamacare is bad for america and are going to stop funding it as part of this deal. obviously that will not pass the senate. it will shut down the government. is it worth it? >> well, first of all i don't think we will have a government shutdown. that's certainly not our intention. actually the bill makes sure th...