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This is dr. ranney and assistant dean of public health at brown university. doctor, let's start there with this poll. 48% of unvaccinated americans saying nothing will convince them to get the shot. omicron is not impacting them. not the delta wave, not the threat of omicron, which leads me to wonder, should the administration and health officials kind of take this number to heart and start shifting the goal away from full vaccination to something else? >> i think they've already taken this number and tried to move beyond it. you know, they put executive orders in place around mandating large ...

I mean, the problem is we do have the pfizer pill. there's also the merck pill, but that's turning out to be less useful. the pfizer pill looks really, really good, really compelling, 90% reduction. there are two problems. fda has been sitting on the data, still hasn't authorized it. all of us feel like no time like the present, let's go fda. second is we don't have a ton of doses of these things. we have got to figure out how to ramp up production, get it out. these things once they become widely available, it will make a big difference. >> final question. we never seem to discuss herd immuni...

Now i think it's going to be closer to 2. we obviously need to see what else is going on are omicron. it could be lower than that. that's not even considering what could happen if build back better doesn't become law. that could also have an impact on growth early 2022. >> that's really interesting, mark. that's a big change in your forecast, down to two when you were expecting potentially nearly five. you think the impact solely because of what we've now learned with omicron, that's not even factoring in the demise of build back better? >> exactly. i think the case study here for us is what d...

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President biden going forward as well. >> would you like to respond some. >> sure, dr. wen and others are right. we need to be prepared for all these situations. the difference between the delta wave now and omicron wave now is just the intensity that we'll see all at one moment. that's going to mean in certain places, new york, california, if it comes here quickly, and other places like that, there's just going to be an overpowering result. now the president has done a number of things. didn't just start now. in the summer, he invested $3 billion to help scale up rapid tests. there were no ra...