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He's not offering to come up there and answer questions. but, you know, he also faces the risk that if he evacuates that stage, that some of his competitors -- including like a ron desantis -- could have a really great night and speak to the people and finally catch some folks' attention. you know, we were just talking about how trump dominates the airwaves, well, this will be a night when america will be free to look at the people on that stage, and if donald trump's not there, that could be a problem for him. paul: yeah, i agree with that. could give somebody else a chance. when we come ba...

Branch out. do you buy it? >> well, i think that that is clever spin. on their part. i think it will be overshadowed by the question of whether he participates many a debate. and i think that the christi taunt. >> was exactly what it is. >> it is a taunts designed to enrage trump and maybe get him to actually show up. because i think the other part of that, is that it is in trump's interest not to participate. not just because if he's attacked, if he's not there, the other candidates could attack governor desantis. >> and on desantis, it is a question of when is he going to get in and will he ...