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Audiences that need to hear about it. the other thing may be the u.s. government is starting to treat wrongful detentions of americans differently from how it used to treat hostages, different types of cases and different approach. >> john: how do you think the britney griner case helped propel this forward. in april there was disappointment whether there was a swap for trevor reed and paul was not included in that. do you think griner's case, a high profile individual held in detention and currently on trial might have helped propel this forward? >> i think it's helped awareness around paul's...

>> there is no official playbook on how you deal with these wrongful detention cases. i look back to how my brother and of the advocacy for me like cherelle griner he was signaling his support and readiness to cooperate with u.s. government but when asked that question is the administration doing enough his answer was invariably wildlife brother is not home yet so they are not doing enough. unfortunately, what i have learned from my own case and that of so many since me is that you have to raise the public pressure and make this a matter of political concern to get the attention of administrat...

We think in this case the evidence is clear from president trump's own word and the judges hammered on that as you pointed out later in the oral argument. >> bob ferguson, thanks for being here. >> you run an organization that has handled many such cases, including challenging the war making power in detention cases. we met many years ago when i worked ccr. there is an argument that this is the heart of presidential power. >> it is the heart of presidential power. think think what's clear particularly when we talk about the discrimination question, i think the attorney general is right in thei...

Important issues facing the court and that really put him in the center in his ability to lead on those issues, whether it was to recognize the power of the national government rather than the state governments and civil rights or other areas, or as you mentioned before, those crucial areas of protecting the rights of individuals in the detention cases as those became the central issues, his leadership became extremely significant. >> i appreciate your perspective on this today. as we look forward to the end of the supreme court session and nomination from president obama for a replacement, ...

Court justices and there are many, many examples of justices who turned out differently than expected. probably the best example is earl warren. after ayeisenhower appointed hi said it was a terrible mistake. in kagan's case, i think you're going to see conservatives who will go for anything they can get. they'll go back to her senior thesis at princeton and say she wrote about socialism therefore, maybe she's a closet socialist. if they say that about the president, you can bet they'll say it about her. democrats will look at the arguments she's made on detention cases and say she's quite con...