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White board and she started writing up the defense arguments on the white board and we discussed every one of those. >> why was it important for you as devil's advocate because you wanted to make sure -- >> i absolutely wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page. i wanted to make sure everyone was comfortable. i wanted to make sure we were doing due diligence and we actually understood what our task was. there was no room for error at all. >> no room for error. all of you knew the manslaughter you felt that from the very beginning he's guilty. >> we went through the evidence and when we...

We just filled out a piece of paper. >> you had no idea. so you had no idea. so what was that first vote? >> then i kept track. so then when we voted i wasn't t the foreperson, but i kept track. and the first one we agreed to discuss was the manslaughter charge. >> that was the first vote you took. you didn't take an overall on everything. you did the manslaughter first. >> we did the manslaughter first. that was 100% guilty. >> the first one. >> but then and it was kind of like oh, wow, how did that happen? okay, let's go to the next one. but there were a couple of us who played devil's advoc...

>> that was the first vote you took. you didn't take an overall on everything. you did the manslaughter first. >> we did the manslaughter first. that was 100% guilty. >> the first one. >> but then and it was kind of like oh, wow, how did that happen? okay, let's go to the next one. but there were a couple of us who played devil's advocate. i know sherri was one of them with me. and we said no, no, let's talk about what the defense is saying, though, as the opposite argument. let's make sure we can rule out the reasons why it's not manslaughter from the defense side of things. >> so jodi, actua...

Can tell also, but the people who go out and threaten school board members, they're the ones who will probably end up running for the school board and that should worry all of us. >> we had school board members on who have said i had to resign, i was worried about the safety of my children, people -- someone came into my garage, you know. they're very concerned. they're concerned for their personal safety. i do wonder, you know, if merrick garland had been -- just to play devil's advocate here, if he had been forceful, does that play into this? is that exactly what a ted cruz or a josh hawley ...

Their ranks. back with us tonight author-activist median former producer for the daily show, host of the podcast how to citizen, he'll also be hosting the pbs series america outdoors. even though to be honest we have only seen the guy inside. and susan, msnbc political analyst and a veteran political strategist. welcome, gang. happy to have you. it's been too long since we've spoken with you. i would like to start with this. did president biden stack his priorities wrong? devil's advocate here. it was at the height of an uncontrolled pandemic and all the resulting economic damage. but as so ma...