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But thomas, i mean, some people watching this might say "charity begins at home, vaccination begins at home. we need to look after our own country first before we start after the rest of the world." well, i don't want to be i devil's advocate but i will admit — that this new pandemic that hit the world globally at a moment when nobody was prepared - for it and, as you say, in such a moment — l and all these governments are elected into power- by their electorates have to mind and consider- their own population. but at the same time, they also have to be . understanding of the fact that . y...

Supply and, you know, i think rich countries should be realising it is in the self interest now to be sharing this vaccines more widely in order to contain the virus as well as slow the spread of these variants that are developing and seem to be boomeranging back to rich countries. thomas, i mean, some people watching this might say charity begins at home, vaccination begins at home. we need to look after our own country first before we start after the rest of the world. i don't want to be devil's advocate, but i will admit that this _ i new pandemic that hit the world. globally at a moment wh...

Of them getting power? that's what it's all about. >> let me play devil's advocate. senator manchin is being viewed as standing in the way, but can you picture a time when democrats could thank joe manchin, too, for more years -- >> oh, yes. >> if republicans take back control of congress and, thereby, they would have use of the filibuster and the like. >> well, listen, joe manchin was a crucial part in terms of saving obamacare, the affordable care act. you know, had he not supported that effort, that -- that would not be here right now. listen, i'm not going to demonize joe manchin because i...

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Actor in terms of politics in their self-interest. that's what makes it so dangerous. >> i think the only rational argument on their side, just to argue devil's advocate is a bipartisan commission of the 9/11 style would carry real weight and gravitas that would be more dangerous to them than their ability to corden it off and say that's the democrats and the fake news media. they made the calculation that that's the fight they want to have, and so that's the fight they're selecting. >> i think that's a miscalculation because at least if there was a bipartisan commission, they would have had a...