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Door to a different line of defense. >> i'm not sure that's a crime, colluding about russians. you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> that certainly is the original -- >> the president didn't hack. >> reporter: giuliani also pushing back on allegations that then candidate trump knew in advance and approved his campaign's 2016 trump tower meeting with russians, promising dirt on hillary clinton. a claim sources tell cnn that mr. trump's former lawyer michael cohen is willing to tell special counsel robert mueller's investigators. >> we said there w...

Clinton. and today, the president's current lawyer, rudy giuliani, offered a new message. it doesn't matter if the president colluded, because collusion, giuliani says, is not a crime. >> i've been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. >> it's not. >> collusion is not a crime. >> reporter: it's a message giuliani repeated throughout the day. >> you don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about russ russians. >> okay -- >> you start analyzing the krip. the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> that certainly is the original crime. >> the...

Russian hackers to hack into hillary clinton's e-mail servers. they did it the same day. >> that's got to get resolved. to me, this blows my mind. that he -- that rudy giuliani would go on television and say hacking is the crime and the president didn't hack. >> right, right. >> of course the president didn't hack. of course the president didn't call vladimir putin and say, hey, vlad, can you try to hack into the election and maybe favor it my way -- >> he kind of did, he said, hey, russia -- he came pretty damn close. >> if you get that stuff off the servers, we have friends at wikileaks that...

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Confused, one goal of mr. giuliani was pretty evident. >> i've been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. >> it's not. >> collusion is not a crime. >> i don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about russians. >> okay. >> you start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. >> that certainly is the origin of the -- >> the president didn't hack. >> of course not. that's the -- >> he didn't pay them for hacking. >> as you know, it has led -- the meeting with the russians. >> if you got the hacked information from the russians here at cnn and you pl...