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>> i simply wanted to brief mike on what i had found. i had what we called the receipts and that's all the conversation needed to be. >> why wouldn't he -- was it wrong to try to overturn the election to keep trump in office? >> no, not legally. everything i did was clearly between the lines. >> those were two separate interviews with ari back in january, joe. just explicit confession of what he did to try to overturn the election. as he described this green bay sweep plan, as they called it, he said the only reason it didn't work, the only reason they didn't complete their coup is because mik...

Small hands. >> was that a debate? >> it was a debate. >> boy. >> and rubio got smaller and smaller and smaller as a result. he wanted to outdo trump. >> he had been trying to take the high road. >> right. >> and that wasn't working. he went on the low road and that really didn't work. >> and that wasn't working for him either. that was clearly the problem with so many of the republicans that went after trump. they didn't know how to do it. and i also think if trump -- well, if trump runs, probably no one else will run. but that is going to be -- if it happens, if trump runs and others run, th...

You know what? we tried something and it didn't work, but i care about you people. this is the person that championed, the socialist, black and brown people, right? black and brown people need to get ahead. they're hurting. well, black and brown people are the number one people being slaughtered by her policies and she doesn't care. my assessment of aoc is she's an evil prop beganist. she's part of the democratic machine that will do anything and say anything to ensure that they are in power and the people that they govern beneath them remain oppressed. it's a sad, sad realization for aoc. >> ...

An independent journalist and also host pushback on the gray zone. he's reported extensively on the state department's. we are happy to have him join us now. thank you so much coming on. i have no idea vladimir putin is planning some kind of false flag or whatever. but i'm just wondering, as matt said in that briefing, is there any evidence that that's true? >> none that we have seen, but the problem is there's been this entrenched playbook in this country where people like matt lee and the media are -- he just it is basic job as a journalist. very consequential about a foreign power. instead ...

Is there nothing to see here? could it just be dismissed on his face because biden was inaugurated, so whatever they try to didn't happen or if it happened it didn't work. is this justice department already starting this? we don't know. is this memo something they should be paying attention to tonight? what can it tell us about donald trump's unsuccessful conspiracy to overturn the presidential election? for answers to those questions, we turn to our first guest tonight, claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri and msnbc political analysts, and also with us daniel goldman, who...