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And how that intersected with joe biden's son hunter and his work in ukraine for a ukrainian owned oligarch gas company, i used the air quote stumble there because we had written about that back in 2015. it wasn't like he discovered anything new. what he say doing more was to push the ukrainians to investigate it, to give fodder to trump to be able to potentially run against joe biden, and that is why we see this complaint which i think is quite valid that rudy giuliani is sort of distorting the u.s. foreign policy apparatus and he has support in that effort from trump. >> what we're talking a...

Used the air quote stumble there because we had written about that back in 2015. it wasn't like he discovered anything new. what he say doing more was to push the ukrainians to investigate it, to be able to potentially run against joe biden, and that is why we see this complaint which i think is quite valid that rudy giuliani is sort of distorting the u.s. foreign policy apparatus and he has support in that effort from trump. >> what we're talking about tonight is this breaking story tonight which has really come to full bloom which is the latest reporting is that the president of the united s...