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And that gives them an incentive to not really go along with what the republicans are doing if they don't really legitimately like it. and so you have these sort of countervailing forces that really could, together, bring the whole thing down. >> is it your assessment, big picture, that immigration reform is dead? >> i think at this point, that's a pretty dramatic way to put it, but it seems at this point to be on life support and that what came out of the senate is certainly dead for the next several months. now, you also have to remember, we talk a lot in washington about how, you know, we d...

Out, for the house to potentially vote upon. you're going to hear about the blue slip in the discharge position. you asked about the discharge position. i don't see it coming up the way that jonathan suggests. >> jonathan, wouldn't it be easier for the house to write a bill? >> yes, i think that's exactly what's going to happen. what's going to happen is the house is going to write several bills and none of them are likely to have the path to citizenship or certainly not the type of path to citizenship that the senate has. once the house passes anything, even if it's just a border security bil...

You saw that reflected in the quotes you put forward, is sort of an orphan. you go to a house which is fractious and there's no strong leadership coming and i feel like games of thrones here. the house of boehner. it can destroy things but it cannot build. and that's what we're going to see as the house turns to immigration. i don't see boehner being able to sort of put together anything that's comprehensive, that brings, you know, two sides, let alone, a side and a half, together. >> i want to read a quick quote from "new york" magazine. he writes there's a way around the house immigration pr...

Spending cuts? >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal two page long that included one sentence on revenue. pages 17 to 45, details on proposed sending cuts by the president. pages 17 to 45. i recommend them to you. >> speaker boehner's attempt to play the reality card was met with a reality heck from nancy pelosi. >> if the president doesn't agree with our approach, he has the obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. >> we have been calling upo...

Money for his hard-hit state? >> it's a tremendous amount of pressure. part of what the strategy of think of what we're see hearing is the republicans are becoming increasingly isolated. you think about the discharge position. essentially even if they don't sign on to it, the point is they're going to own this mess. they're the ones who are seen to be, as the public suggests, not willing to make a deal. it is not unreasonable. we've all seen those horrifying images from the devastation of hurricane sandy. it's not unreasonable the governor of the state of new jersey would come and say i need h...