Tapes, and they made the call. >> so that's wilkins sort of laying out that argument. what did you make of that proposal by trump's lawyers, which seemed to me a bizarre one? >> yeah, it really struck me as just a flat out effort to stall. because they know that if the court has to methodically go through each and every one of these documents it's going to take a very long time. you know, sometimes that happens when we have attorney-client privilege where there is some question as to whether documents are privileged. we saw that when we had the search warrant executed at michael cohen's law of...