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simultaneous joy and despair. it will be hard to bridge the gap, but we must try. we're about to be tested. soon we'll learn can our democracy recently strained in the aftermath of our most recent presidential election with stand the new pressures to come? can controversial laws be enforced in a country as diverse as our's? not without reconciliation. those who are grieving need to recognize the sincerity of neighbors with deeply held beliefs who dreamed of seeing this day. and the many who are celebratory would be well served to recognize the heart break and devastation of citizens ...

Of what trump had in this state back in 2020. >> is he trump without the bombast? you hear from republicans, in fact, i had the arizona state house speaker on this program, rusty bowers, you know, people like him are looking for an alternative to trump but they want the trump policies. is that desantis' bid? >> well, i think clearly governor desantis has embraced a lot of the same ideas. and he also has another trait that he shares with the former president. that's a never surrender, do not retreat kind of mode. a lot of times he does things and he stands his ground. sometimes he's drawn into ...