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Goldmacher, national political reporter for "the new york practically speaking, how do you times." defend against what clint's describing? shane, let me start with you. big day tomorrow for tom steyer. >> well, it's interesting you mention the thousands of if he does not reach that magic municipalities involved in this. number in either one of those because they're being hit right polls and does not make the now. debate stage, what does that do we have several states and for hi little municipalities in the >> for starters the odds are country right now who are against him in those two polls li...

On the guy. when you spend time with him, you like him. he seems he could be president. i don't know what the holdup is. it's there though. >> i'm with chris. i think we all thought on the power of sort of his personality told at least be in the top five at this moment. >> for sure. he's arguably the best orator in the entire field. >> also the most energy. >> he has the sweep and the kind of historical context for his remarks that biden can sometimes do. but doesn't always. he's got youth and energy. he's a person of color. he's got a lot of potential advantages. and chris is right. he hasn't...

Involved, conflicts of interest and potential self-dealing. it becomes an important question for the public. >> there's a reason public servants file these financial disclosures. listen, i had a security clearance. for security clearances, they want to know about your debts because debts conceivably, doesn't always, conceivably could make you vulnerable. it's things the american people have a right to know. >> phil, i wonder, even though the dems are getting these favorable court rulings, et cetera, and they have this momentum, you know, the most recent cnn polling shows that about 70% of amer...

Who are not millionaires necess not all of them are millionaires. beyond that, there is the questi of does it add to the defici and by how much? he is still resisting this idea of 20%. he is talking about it, but resist it. he wants it to be 15. he wants to say he brought it down by half or more. we have a long way and you know the president doesn't always -- just because his r his aides have endorsed something, doesn' mean he is all the way there. >> you were on the hill througthis. you have northeast moderate republ state and local income taxes that disappear.

He's a controversial character like donald trump. i'm not surprised a reporter would use an inflammatory title to draw cliques. >> the writer doesn't always, and usually doesn't have anything to do with the headline. somebody else writes the headline. >> i read the piece, though. there is a lot of profanity in the piece. he's very good at his genre and he's a great sportswriter. i just wouldn't allow -- you do have a veto over your headline, so he could have vetoed that if he wanted to. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> always a pleasure. thank you, don. when we come right back, what ben ...