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Point if not tomorrow in the later, larger information for congress about the obstruction and that's are really big oversight question, what congress wants to do about that. some of the elements of obstruction occurred in plain sight. "the new york times" reported he tried to fire mueller. when nixon did that, it was part of his undoing. frank, i want to give you a chance to respond. here's what someone on fox news, tucker carlson said friday night's show. >> after all of this, years of it, not a single american citizen has been charged with anything related to russian collusion. not one perso...

What does it mean? the implications what we learn tomorrow, potentially. >> thing is the, you know, we already run into the hard part for the justice department. because while there are some notable exceptions that got some people in trouble, for the most part, when the justice department investigates somebody, and it doesn't charge them, it doesn't blurt it out. it doesn't say we investigated somebody for bank fraud or for child pornography but we decided not to charge them because we didn't have the evidence. on the theory that doesn't give them a chance to defend themselves. it doesn't prov...

You have those factors. but think about how narrow, really, the mandate was to this special counsel. that was to investigate russian interference with u.s. elections and whether there was any conspiracy with the trump organization. that's pretty narrow. >> when people keep hearing that, it is and it isn't. what do you make of the result that he found a lot of crime but didn't bust anyone for those links? >> right. he established the russian hacking pretty well in that gru die. but what he probably, and this is just my speculation, but what he was probably having difficulty with was proving the...

People trying to help the boss out. the boss may or may not know what's going on, so mueller may have said, look, if it's not airtight, i'm not charging it, but i'm going to explain it in the report and i think that's what we should expect. >> it's fascinating to hear this from a team people want straight-up legal context and facts on a probe that by any measure indicted a lot of people. but also, as a collusion probe, didn't hit those indictments. carol, joyce, greg, and frank, my thanks to each of you. coming up, the politics here. 2020 candidates weighing in. i have a special panel next. ...