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Son Volt — 'Electro Melodier'

Which is why are you trying to make this so intensely personal about ahmaud arbery? why bring up black pastors and their presence in what you know is a public accommodation, being in this courtroom and that you don't have a say in who comes and who doesn't come and observe? why make that point? why do you think about pastors in terms of black and white? >> i don't think of pastors in terms of black and white. and let's be clear. if you were in that courtroom, sitting in my chair, representing roddie bryan, you'd be doing exactly the same thing. >> no, i wouldn't. >> so if it helps -- if it hel...

Have a say of who comes and who doesn't come and observe? why make that point? why do you think about pastors in terms of black and white? >> i don't think of pastors in terms of black and white. and let's be clear, if you were in that courtroom sitting in my chair, representing roddie bryan, you would be doing exactly the same thing. . >> no, i wouldn't. . >> if it helps -- if it helps you to make that point, you can be. but if you were sitting there you would be doing exactly the same thing. >> no, i wouldn't. >> as would any lawyer in america. >> no i wouldn't. to say i don't want black i i...

In this courtroom and that you don't have a say in who comes and who doesn't come and observe? why make that point? why do you think about pastors in terms of black and white? >> i don't think of pastors in terms of black and white. and let's be clear. if you were in that courtroom, sitting in my chair, representing roddie bryan, you'd be doing exactly the same thing. >> no, i wouldn't. >> so if it helps -- if it helps you to make that point, you can -- but if you were sitting there you'd not doing the exact same thing. >> no, i wouldn't. you don't even have a right to do it. >> as would any d...

As the bard of Barking tours a new album, he reflects on modern politics, his scraps with the Daily Mail and why he could do with listening a bit more