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Irrational thing about mccain. element which was americans it is all driven by mueller. colluding with russians. and so he is a wild card here. it clearly is not part of the special counsel's move forward at this point. >> so now we're really getting into it. >> yeah. >> i'm going to give a followup you to and let nick come back in and then we might dial in maia >> a locht tt of folks i talk t by phone. this is the beginning of the let's talk about one of the beginning of a brand new phase. breadcrumbs. the roger stone indictment says there is evidence that people on the counter intelligence t...

Investigation is over. and remember one of the things we do know, if this is, this campaign finance conspiracy is the one involving stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. one of the things we do know is there are a number of people who have already been granted immunity in that case. the trump cfo alan weiselberg, david pecker, rmi. there aren't people left in this conspiracy whose name doesn't end with trump. >> that is one of the things we can sort of imagine potentially might be one of the things that takes a little bit longer to work through at the end of this big investigation is as you are w...

Getting the basics of governing right. when the government is shut down the basics of governing are not being gotten right. you asked me before about threats to the republican brand. the republican brand has faced a lot of damage over the last number of years. this idea president trump can't oversee a competent functioning of the federal government is the sort of thing that could further bleed some of those people away from him. to my point earlier, this doesn't end until one side or the other begins feeling really significant political pain either coming from their base or voters they perceiv...

Immigration peaks and this is the trump administration way down here. these are record lows. so the president should go out every day and say i'm winning, look at this. instead he's got this big phony crisis at the border. >> so the phony crisis and now this shutdown, which is a real crisis, rick tyler, i want to pile on you a little bit, i don't know what at this point would be incentivizing him to stand bit president in this given that bipartisan solutions have come to the president's desk before. isn't it a matter of bypassing the president, and doesn't it just take three republicans to do ...

Is pretty expensive and you know not knowing how long this is going to last i've really had to budget as much as i can and to say ok we're not spend anything for weeks at a time because every day i don't know when the shutdown is going to end i've talked to someone and i've asked them if i can get a loan for a mortgage if this doesn't i mean my mortgage payment if this doesn't end at the end of january or so. and if it continues longer on have to go into my retirement money to pay the bills the bills keep coming they don't stop. with employees across the country facing financial distress the e...