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Says it is so emphatic about push for health care reform. they've really been pushing for reform. poppy harlow has been following it. she joins me now from cnnmoney.com. she sat down and talked with the boss at starbucks about health care. poppy? >> it's interesting because this is isn't i didn't know about starbucks before i prepared for the interview with ceo. his name is howard shultz. he's been the head for decades. he sat down with the president and talked to him about this. starbucks gives health insurance, offering it to any employees, including the baristas behind the counter as long a...

A law to fine you for not doing something. so that's one of the arguments he's making, among others. i think it really is a state's rights issue and also the right of the people to have their own authority and not to be regulated by the government in an area we never intended the government to be. >> what in your mind would be the best outcome of this? there's obviously something a little political about this. mostly republicans backing it and a last stand against health care reform. are you expecting to see this go all of the way to the supreme court and possibly win? >> well, it is going to ...

And once you're laid off and you're out of cobra, you're kind of out of luck. >> you are kind of out of luck. it was a lot of debate over the past year about what to do for people like him. but really he is sort of in this category of people that gets a little bit stuck until 2014 when he does get some subsidies. >> he gets subsidies. by the way, by 2014 we start to see more insurance kicking in. which means if you're bilg it, not as part of a company, do we think it's going to get cheaper for people to buy their own insurance? >> it should get -- depends on how much money you make. by definit...

First of all, the rich family. they are not so happy about this bill because they make $250,000 a year. okay? and they used to pay about $3600 in medicare, payroll taxes. all right? with health care reform, they're now paying about $5900 per year. so that was sort of the ways. remember we talked about how are we going to pay for this thing. this is one of the ways. >> by the way, in addition to this, they're going to pay taxes on stuff that has nothing to do with payroll taxes. taxes on investments, on dividends and things like this. >> good point. >> extra there. so the tax rate -- that's why...

That's got nothing to do with being a student. joining us now from philadelphia to talk more about this is drexel university law and public health professor robert field. professor, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure, ali. >> we've got a couple things we need to understand or clear up a little better. we know that the law is going to provide for students as long as they are dependents to stay on their parents' policies until the age of 26. but this isn't free. we don't quite know who is paying for it. >> that's right. but the fact is that they will have access to coverage under those pol...