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December, and he will be president until 2020. and so this idea that republicans should hold off because we made obama hold off during a presidential election year, i don't think it is very persuasive. >> orrin hatch republican of utah made a point about that. let's roll that sound. >> look, this is not close to a presidential election. >> it is close to a midterm election where senate seats -- >> that is different. we'll still have the same people that will hear this any way. and frankly -- >> a third of the senate is up -- >> well, so. that doesn't mean the senate doesn't function. >> the tr...

But then when there was video evidence that what he was saying wasn't true, he didn't back down. lots of times chief staffers will make a mistake. and if it comes out that what they said wasn't accurate, they'll come clean it up. they'll apologize or say what it was they were trying to get across. he never did that kind of par for course with this white house, they always blame it on someone else. >> why do you this he can't survive, chris? >> well, i think it's about the credibility at this point. he clearly doesn't have the respect of the president. the president's cutting him out of convers...

Very startling view of what's happened to the american mind over the last two or three decades. for those of us who have been following it, i don't think it was quite as big a shock. but this country has been plagued by terrible pair know ya. we've always been vulnerable to paranoia but with 9/11 we never addressed that from the psychological fallout of it. but then in addition at the same time our whole national sense of sexuality, gender identity has been quite ugly, and we've also been plagued by this runaway greed and envy. and you put those three things inside the human mind and the mind ...

Demand a retraction from donald trump as a condition for dealing with him. and if they don't, the truth will suffer once again and the future of governance in this country will take yet another turn for the worse. it is against most professional politicians' nature to be confrontational in these situations. they are compromisers by nature, especially in the congressional leadership, and especially when the rationale for compromise is for the good of the country, as it always is when trying to avoid a government shutdown, which is now 11 days away. if congress doesn't pass some kind of spending...

But hope being amongst conservatives yourself is they produce revenue down the road through dynamic growth and all that. >> that's happened every time it's been tried. we got the history that says that will be the case. >> neil: do some of your moderate colleagues agree? when i talk to them, they get very itchy and antsy. >> revenue neutral to some members like that, it allows politicians continue to spin. we actually want people to keep more of their money and we want to grow our economy. the senate budget, that language doesn't function in a revenue neutral environment. what they talk about ...