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So don't tell us that there's not a fire. don't worry about this. why don't they use this as an opportunity to say, you know what we're going to do? we're going do what nobody has done in the white house for a very long time. we're going to get responsible on the debt. is this really nothing in the white house. are they going to say this means absolutely nothing? are they stupid or do they have their head in the sand. this is not nothing and it's insulting for them not to say it is something. >> i think that's why you're seeing jay carney saying what he's saying. i'm back to thinking a deal is...