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Said to donny last hour, somebody who says i understand we have a problem. >> bring chris hayes in on this. >> i think it would have sent a great signal not only to the markets but also to politicians on capitol hill that the white house is serious. they have not acted serious. we've had this ongoing discussion for some time. they've let you down time and time again on time lines. they still aren't serious about this. they are not -- if they were serious about the debt -- anybody serious about the debt would have seized onto this news, and they would have used it for leverage to take care of t...

Already been down that path. go ahead, mika. >> all right. president obama -- >> i'm sorry. i wanted you to go to mark halperin. let's look at these papers. s&p sounds the alarm on u.s. debt. also "the wall street journal" talking about the same thing the u.s. warned on debt load. "the wall street journal" has a story, "s&p lowers the u.s. debt outlook. "the new york times" and wall street. a serious story. >> okay. so last hour we were talking about how the white house is handling this. mark halperin, do you thing that they have their heads in the sand? >> no. i think that they recognize that...

>> we're going through it. both sides will come to the table. >> we heard from chuck todd at the white house and others at the white house that the white house is waiting till 2013 because it's about politics. want to get re-elected and then they might get serious about the debt. isn't that what you're reporting? >> i don't think that's true. they switched a little bit back thinking they need to at least need to create the circumstances where it happens this year. >> donny? >> we were talking about moving to the middle. is that middle ground enough to do anything serious? >> it's only enough i...

I'm serious. >> this is how the brzezinskis -- >> that was me. >> that's what you get. >> i spent a lot of time in the corner. >> look at this picture. >> as a result, i'm disciplined and well behaved. >> here's mushka and mika. >> an offense that would put me in the corner would be blurting out at the table, speak out, toilet talk never good. >> here are the brzezinski kids. can we get to the news? >> i love this picture. these are cool pictures. >> so that's your corner. let's hope you don't go back there. standard & poors is warning that the government is risking its aaa rating unless it ta...

So don't tell us that there's not a fire. don't worry about this. why don't they use this as an opportunity to say, you know what we're going to do? we're going do what nobody has done in the white house for a very long time. we're going to get responsible on the debt. is this really nothing in the white house. are they going to say this means absolutely nothing? are they stupid or do they have their head in the sand. this is not nothing and it's insulting for them not to say it is something. >> i think that's why you're seeing jay carney saying what he's saying. i'm back to thinking a deal is...