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Attacks, right? he attacks them. and that's what he does. the other parts about this too, nicolle, is for years people have been telling us hey, don't worry, we have adults. we have adults in the administration. we have adults in the room. what we're learning now is there are no adults in the room. maybe some in the administration but not in the room. he doesn't want them in the room. he doesn't want to believe them at all and that is the situation we're in right now. >> just speak to the reality. we know from reporting it was really never -- no one at the white house ever disputed it, that th...

Go that way because it seems like it would be such a constitutional fight for him to insist on the sit-down. my feeling has been he wants to essentially check off that box, and if the president doesn't sit down with him, he has the option of saying, well, the president wouldn't meet with us, here's the evidence. in some ways, of course, for the president's legal team, they're happy about that. >> yeah. >> and they can spin it there way, to say we would have been happy to meet with him, but they were unreasonable in their commission. >> got to leave it there. thank you very much. good to have y...

Main probe responsibility is to get the facts and find out what happened. the president's part of that. and you say, well, why would he do it except to give grift to that mill, that mill being something nefarious in your perspective. i'm saying -- >> no, not nefarious. it's for inclusion in a report to the house. >> right. >> that can then be used to consider impeachment. why would the president walk into that? >> because of the truth. he says he wants to tell the truth. if he doesn't sit down with mueller and we have some type of objective body, which i hold out hope that's what mueller is. e...

>> there is no possibility because the doj guidance. it doesn't mean that mueller's main probe responsibility is to get the facts and find out what happened. the president's part of that. and you say, well, why would he do it except to give grift to that mill, that mill being something nefarious in your perspective. i'm saying -- >> no, not nefarious. it's for inclusion in a report to the house. >> right. >> that can then be used to consider impeachment. why would the president walk into that? >> because of the truth. he says he wants to tell the truth. if he doesn't sit down with mueller and ...

Will be. he said we don't want questioning on obstruction. they would have to concede that. they are not on the same page on this crucial issue of obstruction of justice. why do you think the president is so against questions about obstruction of justice given that the public record on this speaks for itself? he said one thing to nbc news and another thing on twitter. why wouldn't he answer questions when he has been so public about it? what is his issue with it? >> i think the president does want to sit down with bob mueller and his legal counsel is advising him against this. every good attor...