>> there is no possibility because the doj guidance. it doesn't mean that mueller's main probe responsibility is to get the facts and find out what happened. the president's part of that. and you say, well, why would he do it except to give grift to that mill, that mill being something nefarious in your perspective. i'm saying -- >> no, not nefarious. it's for inclusion in a report to the house. >> right. >> that can then be used to consider impeachment. why would the president walk into that? >> because of the truth. he says he wants to tell the truth. if he doesn't sit down with mueller and we have some type of objective body, which i hold out hope that's what mueller is. everybody loved him until this probe didn't start going the way the president likes. now all of a sudden he's suspect. but if he doesn't sit down, it will always be an open question of whether or not he was hiding anything from the american people. fair point? >> fair point. but i would -- sitting in the president's place, i would rather have an open question than have somebody who went to hillary clinton's party and cried when she lost make the