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Parallel for two years. so his idea of a lickety-split, you know, apprentice-type reality hour, it doesn't square with the time thinking they have over the time reference they make over in north korea. they could be tricking him into that chair and letting him sit there for months and years even. so that's what i'm afraid of, that we will be humiliated as a country and nothing will get done. >> because you mentioned "the apprentice," i'm duty-bound to next ask you about pardons. how the notions of pardons has changed from presidents and presidencies past. we've noted many times over the past 2...

I really think that if you look at north korean tactics going back to the korean war itself, which is officially of course the president points out has never really ended, two years beginning in the summer of -- i think it was july of '51, they talked in panmunjom on the 38th parallel for two years. so his idea of a lickety-split, you know, apprentice-type reality hour, it doesn't square with the time thinking they have over the time reference they make over in north korea. they could be tricking him into that chair and letting him sit there for months and years even. so that's what i'm afraid...

Upon in an unprecedented way. i think this actually resonates in the same way. if you are samantha bee you apologize and all is forgiven and you get an award. if you're roseanne you tweet something and apologize and you are out on your butt and it doesn't square with what people in america expect. >> i just want to say i'm not sure the spied on donald trump and not sure about that in any way, shape or form. >> on his campaign. i'll explain off the air. >> julie: when we're not talking about samantha bee. ellen and larry, great to see you both. have a great weekend. >> rick: the white house imp...

Teaching that homosexuality, the inclination to homosexuality is disordered. it opens up a host of other questions on the catholic position on gays. this is the question that is being debated right now, among many -- one interpretation wolf is simply that the pope was having a private conversation with a gay man, doing what pope francis does, offering some pasteural support to him. another interpretation, we've seen in times in the past, the pope doesn't mind if these comments get out into the public was it's a way of changing the public perception, on an issue, without having to change the of...

Conversation. that's right, juan carlos cruz met pope francis, he's a survival of sex abuse in chile. they were discussing that, juan carlos cruz said, the pope's response, it doesn't matter, god loves you like this, god made you like this. they don't normally comment on the pope's private conversations. it's notable they didn't issue a denial or a correction which they sometimes do. the point of the whole discussion is that if the pope were to say, god created you like this, it's going beyond what any pope has said before on the question of gays, and doesn't square so easily with the traditio...