teaching that homosexuality, the inclination to homosexuality is disordered. it opens up a host of other questions on the catholic position on gays. this is the question that is being debated right now, among many -- one interpretation wolf is simply that the pope was having a private conversation with a gay man, doing what pope francis does, offering some pasteural support to him. another interpretation, we've seen in times in the past, the pope doesn't mind if these comments get out into the public was it's a way of changing the public perception, on an issue, without having to change the official church teaching, which pope francis has given no indication he intends to do, wolf. >> the pope saying, god made you like this, god loves you like this. delia gallagher, thank you very much. we're following breaking news, president trump expected to meet