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Joining me is senator johnson and senator murphy from the foreign affairs committee. you say the united states has been cold hearted when it coulds do dealing with the flood of syrian refugees and even president obama's call now for 10,000 more over the next year is not enough, you want 50,000 more. explain. >> so, the while world is move by the image of the young three-year-old boy who washed you on the beaches but the reality is that happens in some way every day inside syria and on passage to europe, 10,000 deads at the least have died in the conflict of the it just doesn't stand to reason ...

That's what i think people are -- >> what about the fact that do you think we -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> he has a record that doesn't stand for what he is today. he has us talking about issues which is fantastic. he was proit choice he has donated -- who is he going to be if he is put in the white house. >> obama was an expert in manipulating words and making you feel fluffy and look what we have now. i'd rather dealing with ten trumps than one obama. if you want to deal with the same old crowd, don't vote for trump. you're saying i don't like what he is saying. >> let's look at that in partic...

Politics. so i can't knock her on any of those fronts but i don't know she that has best interest of all americans at heart. i think, in a lot of ways she has her best interests at heart. >> you said good? >> yeah. she would be good for our country. the guys are messing up. why not give a woman a chance. >> great point. rand paul? >> genuine. >> contradictory. >> what does that mean? >> it mean that is he's a strange guy because his platform doesn't necessarily match his specific actions as a member of the u.s. senate. he tends to you know preach his libertarian ideas, trying to attract younge...

>> no question. you see the risks an the doubts as to whether the interlocators were connected to the captors and the change of demands and where the money went. and what is interesting, it was illegal for the faups to offer to pay -- for families to pay ransoms. the government doesn't stand in the way of that and wouldn't consider it material support for terrorism but there are other risks and we see that playing out here. >> jim scuitto. we appreciate that. thanks. and now retired army lieutenant mark hurtingling and josh rogan, a columnist for bloomberg view. and you were involved in exec...

Impressive in terms of the operations and the intelligence and the legal manifestations and legal representatives ensuring people are living by the rules of engagement. >> mark hertling and josh rogan, thank you very much. and before the death of fred there were questions about how people were treated and how people were treated during rough rides and how people were left paralyzed. that story is next. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world our whal...