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Case is on appeal, she has to issue the licenses. she has said that she won't do it while her case is on appeal, but she's run out of options to try to fight that particular order. >> very quickly, pete, i'm curious. if this hearing is on thursday, does that mean she's going to report to work every day until then and continue to deny these licenses? >> we don't know yet. we believe she's going to issue a statement shortly. that's what we're told. we'll see shortly what she's going to do. there is no contempt order against her now. >> right. it remains to be seen if that will be the case on thu...

Apply to those who have had abortion providers as well? >> in this case the letter doesn't state that, it speaks only of women who have had abortions. in my own diocese, it applies to anyone who has assisted in the act of abortion. so for myself it has no effect, but i'm not really sure. according to the letter, you can only absolve the women who have had the abortion. >> it seems like the letter of inclusion seems to have more potency. he says they should be more tolerant of gay priests saying, quote, who am i to judge. is he trying to bring back and have a sense of unifying those catholics w...

This follows a conference call with lawyers for both sides in this case that ended just a short time ago. it's interesting the judge has acted so quickly here. of course, it was this judge's order last month that said she had to start issuing marriage licenses. that was appealed to the sixth circuit, and when she lost there, she asked the supreme court to step in, and it declined. so now she's out of legal options to try to fight this order that she has to issue licenses. she's still refusing to do it, and the federal judge says come in on thursday morning and explain why she shouldn't be held...

Thing is we include everyone. everyone, come in. >> is that what we're expected to hear in the united states, in d.c., new york and philly when he visits? >> absolutely. he is always talking about the periphery. today's letter is about the periphery. he's always talking about the dignity and respect that should be afforded to every human being. there he's shown kissing a baby. this letter is no different. this letter falls on the world day of prayer for all creation. what is the highest form of creation but the human person making the human likeness of god? he's an extraordinary man. i think t...

Different interpretations. dems are trying to use it to cement future latino votes. republicans are trying to use it and frankly, some rough feelings on the issues. where do you-- where do abc and cbs and new york times and washington post come down in the debate. >> largely, they've covered the debate. >> you don't think there's any bias at all? >> well, i mean, individual stories, of course there's bias, of course there is. >> let me get your take on the story i raised earlier. in almost every article you read and you hear diane sawyer say at the top of the program, described as arizona's to...